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Perspective on educating minorities

By KEITH POUNDS  Tuesday, January 06, 2009

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A recent T&D article titled "SCSU to help teachers create 'culturally relevant' classrooms" reported that Dr. Evelyn Fields had procured a $100,000 grant to help teachers "get more in sync with students" because "teachers can instruct students more effectively if they understood the cultural backgrounds" of black students. Fields suggests that focusing on cultural considerations in the classroom will decrease disciplinary problems.

While this seems to be an admirable endeavor, I do question if the underlying premise is inherently flawed.

Culture

John McWhorten, a black senior fellow at the Manhattan Institute who received his Ph.D. in Linguistics from Stanford University, recognizes that black students from Africa and the Caribbean who attend U.S. schools perform very well. This suggests that something other than "racism" is the cause of low academic performance among African-American students.

In addition, David Horowitz, who formerly worked closely with the Black Panthers, notes that Asian immigrants "who struggle with both a foreign language and an alien culture" consistently outperform both black and white students.

Discipline

Fields references research suggesting that "African-American boys are very active and like to move around the classroom" and "forcing them to sit still in the classroom at that age is not conducive to learning."

I am particularly appalled at the idea that the expected standard of behavior for non-white students should be lowered because they simply don't have it in them to behave as well as white students. I can account first-hand, along with stories I've heard from countless other Native American men, of being perceived as a Native American male, and all the "savage" and "stoic" references that come along with it.

Being of both English and Choctaw Indian descent, and having lived, worked and worshipped closely with fellow Native Americans, I am deeply concerned that the very idea that nonwhites need "special attention" does more harm than good. And I say that as a Native American male who has earned a master's degree in business.

Juan Williams, a black author and one of America's leading journalists, once wrote, "One of the most damning of all is the acceptance of the idea that black people are weak and powerless victims of American society instead of heroes who prove the virtue of the American promise …"

Larry Elder, black radio and TV talk show host and best-selling author, wrote that "In the (private schools) authorities do not tolerate acting out… that child gets kicked out because if the teachers and administrators refuse to do anything about it, the other cash-paying parents will."

Intended beneficiaries

In her best-selling book, "Do-gooders," Mona Charen challenges "liberal thinking" that views all issues "from the perspective of a person with troubles." As she wrote, attempting to "compensate" minorities wholly ignores the fact that "special favors are not always good even for the intended beneficiaries."

Charen insists that such "do-gooder" programs are more about creating jobs for under-performing educators than helping the poor people they are designed to instruct, just as affirmative action programs benefit affluent minorities rather than poor minorities for whom they are intended.

Parents

Larry Elder insists that "when a students' classroom behavior is unacceptable, that's a student whose mother never bothers to come to a parent-teacher conference or whose father is not living in the home." As an African-American male, he makes no excuses in asking, "What about the simple fact that black kids fail to study as hard as many of their peers?"

I contrast this clearly with Native Americans today who insist that a number of their socioeconomic problems are the entire result of governmental policies both before and after Indian Removal in the 1830s.

We neglect to consider that in the early 1800s, many Native Americans in the Southeast were insistent that "education" be a prominent aspect of treaties signed with the United States government. These Indian leaders saw great promise in modern education. It is for this reason that even today they are referred to as "The Five Civilized Tribes."

My point is that there should be no excuses for not preparing oneself to compete in our growing global environment. Perhaps no one group knows this better than Native Americans.

American students, parents and educators might take note of the actions of southeastern Native Americans in the early 1800s. They insisted on providing their children with a modern education. And they refused to allow cultural considerations to stand in the way of it.

Keith Pounds holds an MBA with a concentration in organizational psychology. He is the author of "A Concise Encyclopedia of the Choctaw Indians" and the newly released book, "The Psychology of Management." His writings can be viewed at keithpounds.com. He can be contacted at Keith.Pounds@alumni.aiuonline.edu

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23 comment(s)
The following comments are reader submitted. They do not represent the views of The T&D or Lee Enterprises.

agape wrote on Jan 20, 2009 6:35 PM:

" I agree with "Enough Already"' "

cherokee wrote on Jan 13, 2009 8:04 PM:

" It appears that Governor Sanford is against higher education in his new(?) proposal to start closing some Higher Education Institutes associated with USC. What other Higher Education Institutes will he now slate for closure? The biggest question is WHY?

With South Carolina already below par with education K-12 and above, why would WE want to have less education. Surely he could find other ways to cut corners like close HIS pet projects.

If he continues to downgrade education, then it might be necessary to impeach him! "

elcid87 wrote on Jan 13, 2009 11:42 AM:

" Regardless of race and origin the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. An excellent student will accomplish much in a less than average school.
An unruly, undiciplined student will do the same regardless of the quality of teachers and education quality. We need parenting with care and motivation. If the parenting isn't available mentoring is necessary. Children need a role model and support to succeed. This includes discipline which is no longer allowed in schools. Thus, a disciplined home atmosphere is necessary and unfortunately missing many cases. It is time to leave out the black,white,indian, and face reality. You all seem intelligent. Put your emotions and stereotypes away and face reality. Children who have no proper up bringing are many times destined for failure. A gang environment may be the first structured environment they have experienced.
Shame on us all for not doing more to correct this.
I love you all. "

enough_already wrote on Jan 13, 2009 11:31 AM:

" And by the way, I disagree with Dr. Fields. I feel this grant is just another way of accomodating disruption and sterotyping African American boys. Male children PERIOD ususally have a harder time sitting still than their female counterparts. Not just African Maerican males. So why not just do a study for males period!! Please stop putting African American children down. It's amazing.......... "

enough_already wrote on Jan 13, 2009 11:21 AM:

" Mr. Pounds, please let's stop categorizing an entire race of people; especially your own. Just as the rest of you are are stereo typing that ALL people of Asian descent are smart and driven. Every culture will always have those individuals who are going to achieve and those who will not. Not every Asian person is smart, just like every African American child is not ignorant. Not every Caucasian person is rich, just like every Latino is not poor. When America receives individuals who come here to work or study, they are ususally more well off in their countries, or they are the chosen few who receive their education in their countries; which is the same thing that happens here. In other words, if only our best and brightest were to consistantly take residency in France, then the perception in France would be that all Americans are smart and driven; and we know that to be untrue; and this is for ALL races and socioeconomic levels. This is 2009 and there are sooooo many successful African Americans it's ridiculous. Of course, this is never shown in mainstream America, and that is for a reason. If society perpetuates an image that there are no sucessful African Americans, then African American children will feel they have nothing to strive for.
I am a parent of a gifted African American male child. My child knows the value of education, and he also knows the consequence of being a disruption in school. We already have him brainwashed that he has to complete what he calls "18" years of school, which equates to a Master's degree. There is no discussion on high school graduation being an accomplishment.
While we do emphasize education in our home, I do undertand that often times in homes it is not a priority. But lets not be so ingnorant to say that it is not a priority in ALL African American homes, or that it IS a priority in ALL Caucasian homes. Because we know believing that would show our true ignorance.
However, I will say that I face challenges in the schools where his intelligence is not celebrated. It's amazing the attitudes of some of these teachers. Some teachers do absolutely nothing to help augment his aptitude level. I feel if he was a Caucasian male, counselors and teachers would have him bombarded with a cadre of resources to encourage him to continue his thirst for knowledge. Therefore, I take this issue into my own hands.
While I do agree with Mr. Pounds on challenges that face the African American community, I would like for Mr. Pounds to also ackknowledege that African Americans are not the only race that is faced with these challenges. It shows a lack of intelligence when an individual classifies an entire race of people in such a negative light. It's really starting to become banal and mundane. I'm sure you are more intelligent than that.
People of ALL colors, races, and cutural diversity face poverty, unemployment, lack of education, etc., etc. Not just African Americans. People, let's get it together and stop classifying an entire race of people. Enough Already..... "

cherokee wrote on Jan 13, 2009 9:55 AM:

" Thank you Mr. Pounds.

South Carolina has a problem with literacy as does the majority of States but the causal effects are not relational to the proportion of those not tested due to language barriers; i.e. we do not have a large population of non-English speaking citizens as do many of the other States.

According to the estimated census figures there are between 11.6 and 18.4 percent, statewide, of our people, aged 16 and above, who lack basic prose (reading and writing)literacy skills according to State Estimates for 2003 (Census figures).

Basically, these figures imply that it is our school systems that are at fault, not some exterior factor such as emigration. We, simply, are not teaching correctly or else our children are not comprehending what is being taught.


Statistics can be found at http://nces.ed.gov/naal/estimates/State Estimates.aspx. Data can be derived at both State and County levels for the entire nation. "

minimouse wrote on Jan 13, 2009 9:50 AM:

" Grateful.
I am sorry that I hurt your feelings.
I should have found a gentler approach.However when you said:"Larry Elder never says anything good about black people. He needs favor from white people. He is a miserable man that hate that he is black."
I assumed you were a pretty tough skinned person who could take an insult on a blog like this with out curling up into the fetal position. "

Grateful wrote on Jan 12, 2009 6:31 PM:

" To Minimouse,
This is so sad. Why do we have to stoop to name calling. I was voicing my opinion. We wonder why children act like thy act. Adults are the blame for a lot of the problems in schools.
I still say God Help Us All. "

agape wrote on Jan 12, 2009 4:52 PM:

" Oh my my my! This issue is a hot dicussion. :-)
I think we all have valid points but some of your opinions (and my own) are based on personal experiences, conservative views, and here say.
I too believe in enpowering parents and the community. I also think that parents need to take personal responsibilty for their child's education.
I have to respectfully disagree with Minnie Mouse's explanation of her African American student's value system. It is unfortunatley based on YOUR experience with African American Students and not everyone elses especially mine. I have an African American Friend who is a single mom of an 10 year old boy and a 13 year old girl and those children are respectful, honorable, and high achievers. This is not rare in the African American community Minnie Mouse.
I have worked in rural poor school districts with 90% White students and guess what?? They too have the same issues as"some" African American Students. Its not a *race* issue but a *class* and *value* issue. There are plenty of African American parents that teach their children the value of hard work and effort.
PLEASE don't stereoptype their children. Its not fair to the African American community.
Mr. Pounds I do agree with you on self suffiency and personal responsiblity, but please understand that you can not solve the problem till you get to to root of the issues. I too do not believe in excuses, but i also know that people (minorities and the poor) are not born lazy and lack drive and ambition. Instead of being critical, try understanding the circumstances and situations, and then creating solutions to this epidemic.How can we enpower these families so that we can raise and educate productive, bright, contributing, enlighten American Children Mr. Pounds?? I also would like to know If you have tried to implement this idea of yours to enpower those that you are critical of?? It sounds like you have good ideas... lets see if they work. You might or might not be on to something. I challenge you to present your facts and ideas to the board od education, or perhaps to some PHD students in education. Why not create a nonprofit program and let it be based on your facts and ideas Mr. Pounds. "

Keith Pounds wrote on Jan 12, 2009 10:42 AM:

" What an awesome job the T&D has done in providing this forum. We’ve seen quite a few articles that have generated posts here that have done well to get us all thinking. In the spirit of furthering those thought processes, I’d like to add comment to the excellent posts to this article.

“Grateful” seems to agree with my premise that it is “discipline” (not lack of money or a focus on cultural awareness) that is needed to address the problem of failing schools and the students within them. Unfortunately, Grateful admonished Larry Elder, almost calling him not “black enough” and suggests that “he needs favor from white people.” This is a big problem within many minority communities. Native Americans do it too. If one doesn’t “tow the line’ of the victicrat mentality, he or she is labeled as a “sell out.” Sort of sad actually and wholly restricts open debate and creative thinking. This is why so many minorities are fighting tired old battles of the 1960s, rather than dealing with 21st century issues of global competition.

“Cherokee” likes me. And I like Cherokee! This writer is solid on the issue of discipline and directly relates it to achievement and advancement.

“TAWGA WORM” does well to recognize that these issues apply to all peoples. The writer notes that “whites also have cultural issues that mite be deserving of a little attention and understanding.” Excellent point! But the premise of my article is to “forget” cultural issues. Our focus in the classroom should be - “This is what’s going on in the global environment. This is what you need to do to keep up, because the rest of the world will run over you if you whimper and cry about getting your feelings hurt.” Still, TAWGA WORM brings focus to the issue.

“TAS” is misinformed. We can, and we should, make generalizations, from a statistical standpoint. Indians drink too much! They just do. It’s a problem and we need to tell Indian children not to be a bum like their uncle is. Larry Elder suggests that black students aren’t studying enough and TAS calls it “stereotyping.’ Elder obviously wants black children to succeed. So does TAS “not” want them to study? Sadly, after admonishing Elder for stereotyping, TAS writes that Elder “demonstrates here obvious ‘European-American’ brainwashing.” TAS doesn’t see the contradiction in her call for a boycott of stereotyping blacks, while simultaneously engaging in the stereotyping of whites. This wholly supports my position that it is the liberal mind that is racist, not the conservative one.

“Crusader” goes further than all of us in recognizing that some poor, hard working, dedicated teacher is going to have to be indoctrinated into an ideology that will be deemed preposterous in five years.

“USC85” is disappointing. This writer too seems to admonish Larry Elder for not being “minority enough.” Not sure what statistics USC85 is referring to. Perhaps it is the disproportionate number of unwed mothers, or perhaps the lack of fathers in the home. Maybe it’s the abandonment of the importance of marriage or outrageous high school dropout rates? Or maybe the over-focus on overly-priced consumer goods? Nah, it couldn’t possibly be a problem with “culture,” it must be someone else’s fault.

“Orangeburger” hit it! USC85 needs to read Orangeburger’s post!

“Minnie Mouse” writes parallel to the ideas of Larry Elder. Whoever you are, you should be commended. USC85 should read this post too! Young girls are rearing young boys, in homes where Grandma is a young girl herself. These young boys are coming to school with no father figure in the home. They are angry at that abandonment. They come to school and can’t sit their butts in their seats. They don’t need to be “understood,” they need to bedisciplined. "

orangeburger wrote on Jan 11, 2009 10:54 AM:

" Call it a malaise with the society we live in., You can throw all the money in the world at public eduction and nothing will change unless you have highly involved parents and equally responsive children. With the exclusion of a few children with true learning handicaps and mental retardation, the vast majority of failures are related to absence of of parenting ( not just lack of parenting..). Schools need to stop spreading the illusion that smaller class rooms and special ed classes can solve the learning and behavior problems.They keep perpetuating this myth and then balk when parents / society ask for accountability. "

Minnie Mousegirl wrote on Jan 10, 2009 2:35 PM:

" I am an African-American middle school teacher, and I know first hand what goes on in the classroom with African-American students. I hate to say it, but a lot of Black kids do not challenge themselves academically. They are SO focused on hair, clothes and music than what is in the books. I have had the chance to tutor a Chinese girl a few years ago when she was middle school age. It was such a pleasure as to how she wanted to learn. She would challenge me even, which I also enjoyed as an educator. Parents??? The biggest problem I see in my area is that many of these children do not have a solid family foundation. Parents are VERY young and some have not even finished school themselves. I want my students to succeed, but at the same time find myself trying to raise them also. My white students are no discipline problems at all. Their parents come out to support us and are concerned about their progress. I can count on my fingers the parents of black children who come out to see us and support our school. Sometimes I feel more of a babysitter than the English teacher that I am. Most of the these children do not need Ritalin, or diagnosed with ADD, or whatever label kids get these days; they need the "old-fashioned" butt-cutting. I try to get them to see that the world is going to be so different from their white classmates. I cannot totally disagree with Mr. Pounds stand on this. Sorry, but I feel he made some seriously true statements in this article. "

cherokee wrote on Jan 10, 2009 1:36 PM:

" Crusader: Orangeburger: minimouse: You are all 100% correct. Distractors from your comments are clearly showing their racial and bias attitudes. It is they who have helped to keep the education of our children as low as it is. Their attitudes speaks clearly in this matter.

Dr, Fields ploy deserves further attention -- why her theory won't work! Her ideas will only further the problems at home and in the classroom. She should concentrate, rather, on how to change the laws of South Carolina to allow discipline in the classrooms and not to look upon unruly discipline as an inherent privilege but as a hindrance to an adequate education. Discipline is clearly outlawed in our public schools at this time. This equally applies to those schools involved in higher education as it does in K-12 education.

PS: As an educator in higher education I cannot contact outsiders to reveal problems. The University I work for has a written policy forbidding anyone from contacting anyone outside of the University or talking to the same. I suspect K-12 teachers are also in the same boat! Maybe one of our enlighten readers can without any severe reprisals...

2nd PS: Why is the State of South Carolina subtracting money from education while our, soon to be, new President is talking about ADDING money for education??? Also why has the Governor pledged additional money to the prison system at the same time?? Does he know that a drop in education will result in MORE need for prisons??? Lost unemployment insurance may also play a part in an increase in the prison population. It is a known fact that, otherwise honest and hardworking persons, may take drastic steps to support their families in their time of need. "

agape wrote on Jan 10, 2009 9:32 AM:

" Oh my where do we put the blame?????
I am an educator in the public schools of Atlanta Ga. I have worked in schools of the very low income (drug usage, housing projects,one parent households, welfare,etc) and I have worked in schools of the extreme wealthy (celebrity children, Prefessional Sports Children, Children of CEO's of coperations, and other high achievers)
I came into this field with idealistic views on how to (Fix) this problem of our bright, beautiful, loving, capable, children of America.
This is what I found... Race is sometimes an issues because African Americans are sometimes viewed as less intelligent and under acheivers. Which I take great offense to.
I can't tell you how many time i have heard some of my white collegues and white parents at the (Extreme Wealthy) schools express surprise and are sometimes baffeled at African American Children who perform well in the their academics and are "articulate".I have also worked with "low incomed' parents who have bused their children into the schools of the exteme wealthy because they wanted their children to have a better education than what their community school was providing. These parents were poor but had "high expectations" for their children. My frustrations are also with the parents and the educators of the children in our under performing schools in the lower economic communities. In these communities education is "sometimes" not a priority because there are so many other factors these parents are dealing with. Drugs in their community, working low waged jobs, one parent households, one income household,and other frustrations of living in poverty. Great, inovative, teachers do not stay in these schools because of the lack of respect, supplies, or support. The ones that stay are sometimes burned out, just don't care, or they really want to make a difference, but feel defeated.
So where do we go from here? What can we do do to FIX this "American" problem?
I think we do hold parents and educators accountable,but with firmness, empathy,resources, and compassion.
I pose the question is this issue in our values, ideas, beliefs, or expectations?? "

minimouse wrote on Jan 9, 2009 10:00 PM:

" Grateful you are illiterate and in denial.
Orangeburger please let your voice be heard in an arena more enlightened than this paper.
Take your opinion to a national level.
You have a perspective worthy of headline news. "

Orangeburger wrote on Jan 8, 2009 7:44 PM:

" To understand why Asian children do well, one needs to spend a few days in their homes. The focus of the family is the success of children with no shortcuts to achieving it. Dual parent home is the norm. Children are taught to equate teachers with God. They would go to the extent of selling everything they have to get their child into the very best schools as they realize that high quality basic education in the formative years is a prerequisite to success in College. They generally do not use the word Graduation when referring to passing from high school and reserve that term for higher education! They set expectations very high and do not worry about useless issues like self-esteem..The family unit is very strong. I have known of parents who spend sleepless nights worrying when their children are about to take an important exam..They do not reward requisite positive actions with money ( for example: you will never hear an Asian mother tell a child "if you do your homework , mow the lawn or clean the kitchen I will give you $5..etc" They instill the concept of personal responsibility very early in life and usually lead by example. This is a formula that has worked for thousands of years in the eastern societies. Our social scientists need to give this a serious look... "

USC85 wrote on Jan 8, 2009 7:02 PM:

" Crusader, it is Mr. Pounds who has not done his homework. Any African American quoting Larry Elder does not know what he is talking about. If the rhetoric that Mr. Pounds was expounding was working then the statistics would not be as bad as they are. Clearly, it does not work! Dr. Fields' concept is one that is worth exploring. "

Crusader wrote on Jan 8, 2009 4:08 PM:

" Bravo, Mr. Pounds! Clearly Dr. Evelyn Fields has not done the appropriate literature review to support such an endeavor. You have provided for her a clear perspective to consider. I feel sorry for the poor teachers that will have to suffer the wrath from her Ivory Tower. I wonder if the "Eye of Sauron" would be an appropriate analogy? "

TAS wrote on Jan 8, 2009 10:39 AM:

" "As an African-American male, he makes no excuses in asking, "What about the simple fact that black kids fail to study as hard as many of their peers?" Mr. Elder this is clearly stereotyping. I can't believe that in 2009 we still have anyone that generalizes so blatantly about any one group of people. Mr. Elder, someone like yourself who demonstrates here obvious "European -American” brainwashing does not deserve the time it takes to read anything from you. "

TAWGA WORM wrote on Jan 8, 2009 10:35 AM:

" SEEMS MR POUNDS ARTICLE MAKES SEVERAL GOOD POINTS AND I AGREE WITH IT ALMOST COMPLETELY, AS FAR AS IT GOES .
AS A NATIVE AMERICAN HE CAN MAKE THIS TYPE OF COMMENT WHEREAS I AS A POLITICALY AND CULTURALY INCORRET WHITE COULDN'T AND EXPECT TO EVER SEE THE PRINTED PAGE .
NOWHERE IN MR POUNDS ARTICLE DOES IT MENTION THAT WHITES ALSO HAVE CULTURAL ISSUES THAT MITE BE DESERVING OF A LITTLE ATTENTION AND UNDERSTANDING .AFTERALL WE WERE NOT ALL SONS AND DAUGHTERS OF PEOPLE OF MONEY , MEANS , AND SOCIAL STANDING .I CAN REMEMBER WHEN A RAISE TO $2.00 FOR MY FATHER WAS REASON FOR CELEBRATION AND NO HE WAS NOT A COMMON DITCH DIGGER BUT A HIGHLY SKILLED PROFESSIONAL IN THE CONSTRUCTION BUSINESS . I ALSO REMEMBER WATCHING CARTOONS ON TV IN THE 50's AND NO WE DIDNT HAVE A TV BUT THE TENNANT FARMERS ON OUR PLACE DID FOR ABOUT 5yrs. BEFORE WE DID.
CULTURALY CONFUSING YOU BET, MAYBE A LITTLE CULTURAL UNDERSTANDING OF WHITES WOULD ALSO BE A GOOD THING.
AS FOR THE COMMENTS ON DISCIPLINE OF STUDENTS MR MANUEL BLACK AND MR NORWOOD OF ORBG. HIGH SCHOOL FAME IN THE MID 60s HAD AND USED A FAR BETTER IDEA . IT WAS CALLED A PADDEL .THE NOTION OF RETROACTIVE USE ON TODAYS PARENTS SHOULD ALSO BE CONSIDERED.

P.S. MRS. JEFFORDS THANKS FOR THE SECOND TIME AROUND IN 7th GRADE AND TO MRS. CAROLL FOR THE READING CLASS. BEST THING EDUCATION WISE EVER HAPPENED TO ME !! "

cherokee wrote on Jan 8, 2009 8:47 AM:

" If our kids are ever to have a good future, far removed from the days of yore, then they must have discipline at home and in classes. Not to do so spells a substandard education and a meager job future for the majority of our children.

No one wants to employ anyone that cannot do the job or presents an unruly attitude. This applies across the board for all races. This premise is not racist. It is fact.

Until South Carolina changes its attitude about discipline in the classrooms, then education is bound to be inadequate for all. Forget the liberal ideas enacted decades ago and return to the old ideas about discipline -- just do it with moderation.

Just imagine how much better it would be for our gifted students if they were not held back by the lack of discipline of the unruly and inattentive classmates. And it would be natural for the less gifted to begin to excel at the same time. Maybe I am talking about your child.

Parents: You know who I am talking about! Don't put the blame onto someone else. The blame is yours and yours only if you cannot correct bad behavior in your children.

And PS. In being part Cherokee, I know how it feels for some but I totally reject all bigotry, racism, and ignorance found in all races. We are ONE PEOPLE and should be free of all references as to skin color, religion, nationality or other descriptors labeling us as being different from someone else. Thus I do not reference myself as Native American but as myself only. AND I am proud to be, at least, part Cherokee!!!!! "

apprevention726 wrote on Jan 7, 2009 7:57 PM:

" I agree with everything that is said. if the money is granted why not. This is something positive. Something needs to be done! "

Grateful wrote on Jan 6, 2009 7:39 AM:

" I taught school for 40 years. I am Black. The main problem with chiidren is a lack of discipline. I remember back in the 90's when it was cool to teach kid's to "feel good about themselves." I have no argument with having high esteem, but, you have to abide by rules. I hate any study where we separate one group of people from another. We were all created by God. I do no that black's are criticized more and we feel this regection and it's hard to deal with sometimes. Black's have always valued education, even when it was denied us. Larry Elder never says anything good about black people. He needs favor from white people. He is a miserable man that hate that he is black. Please find some else to quote.
GOD HELP US ALL. "



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